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@ascentale @nick @bikenite A3. I'm surprised you feel that way. Do you only go on roadie rides?

The rides I go on, when I go on them, are no-drop. People are sometimes going to be tired and sometimes people are going to coast.

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I guess what I do on rides that's annoying is verbalize instead of just keeping it to myself when something annoys me. I need to learn to be quietly grumpy if I'm not justly grumpy in everyone's eyes. #BikeNite

@meganL @nick @bikenite

Yeah, I can see that being an issue if one is riding in a tightly-packed group where maintaining a constant speed is important to avoid crashing.

It's been a while for me, but I get it. We would call out "coasting" to let the person behind know.

@spacehobo @ascentale @nick @bikenite I do think it's good etiquette to call out slowing to a stop (there's a hand signal for it, although drivers and cyclists alike seem to forget it), but I think expecting everyone to be going the same speed all the time is unrealistic at the very least. #BikeNite

@meganL @ascentale @nick @bikenite I'm kind of going to disagree on this. If there's a red (or amber, really) light, EVERYONE should slow to a stop. If there are give-way markings, EVERYONE should slow down. It won't be a surprise.

I suspect these sport trainer types are riding too close for anyone but the front riders to actually pay attention to the road conditions, which is another reason it's a bizarre exception to the way people actually ride bikes.

@spacehobo @ascentale @nick @bikenite I'm referring to stops that are not at a stoplight or stop sign, but stops people are making where it's not generally expected.

Those do happen on friendly rides (to put on sunscreen, to tend to a child, etc). and if they're not signaled, they can sometimes cause crashes. #BikeNite

@spacehobo @ascentale @bikenite Yeah, I think it's more of a necessary when you're in a big group, particularly with cyclists who are not as experienced (whether solo or in a group).

We get tons of new cyclists in Davis every year. People who haven't ridden since they were kids or haven't ridden ever before. They cause LOTS of collisions because they have no sense of situational awareness. #BikeNite

@spacehobo @bikenite
If you're in a crowd cycling and signal a turn, they may think you're turning where the road turns ahead instead of turning to stop at the curb or turn entirely off the road.

Nearly got hit very hard by someone turning entirely off a roundabout, over a sidewalk, and into a tucked-away cycle rack. Didn't signal that one at all verbally or with hand signals.

I actually followed them to "have a litle talk" with them because they so nearly hit me without remorse. #BikeNite

@meganL @bikenite See, but if you're pointing downward with your hand, that usually means "I'm changing lanes in this direction soon" rather than a right-angle turn. Like, "I'm aiming for THAT patch of tarmac." We just point where we're actually going here, instead of dealing in abstractions.

@spacehobo @bikenite All pointing is abstract. It requires connecting something between the action of a primate putting their finger somewhere and anything that might be going on outside the primate.